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Where should I live?

In many ways, I consider myself a "typical" returned-missionary, BYU student...

I like to have a good time and stay up late, but not TOO late.
I have an average GPA in Computer Science.
I really like girls but sometimes they really don't like me.
I've been home from my mission for less than a year.
I still don't have a serious girlfriend.
I have an affinity for people from the East Coast, and yet I must admit that girls from the West are MUCH cuter.

Given my situation, where is the best place for a guy like me to live at BYU? Right now I'm living in Promenade on 9th East, but only because my friend from my home ward was living here and I wanted to live with him. Now that he's about to get married, I need a place that is less boring and CHEAPER. I don't want a completely socially-focused atmosphere or a completely academically-focused atmosphere. I want a balance of the two for a fair price.

What do you all think?

Just a thought

I lived in Centennial Apts. for about two years before I got married. I really liked it. It's fairly inexpensive and they've been making a lot of improvements there.

Parking there sucks though because they don't enforce jack.

I started out in a nice condo

I started out in a nice condo. Then I moved to an even nicer place. Then I moved into the Glenwood. Now I'm married and paying $650 a month for rent.

When all is said, I'd go with, "the cheaper, the better." That is, as long as you don't have cockroaches or rats and a toilet that works.

It might sound cliche, but I'd recommend living the lifestyle you plan on living for the rest of your life. For example, don't go live in King Henry if you don't want to hook up with a girl who has parents that bought her a car, give her a gas card, send her money each month, and pay her tuition. Generalization, but for a good reason. That's how a lot of the girls over there are. I'm sure I'll offend someone with that...

Anyhow, good luck in the apartment search. Let us know what you decide.

Jonny boy

Jon, I feel for you, but you are going about this all wrong.

First you get the money, then you get the women. See, you are trying to figure out why you don't have a girlfriend by using your own criterion; instead, you should judge yourself as women judge you. They want someone who can provide and protect, which they see in rich, or powerful, men. So, focus on getting that beamer, then you won't have to worry about finding a woman: they'll find you.

Liberty Square is pretty good

I'm living at Liberty Square and it's pretty fun. There's a pool, hot tub and indoor volleyball court for fun. There's dances and other activities, aside from the ward stuff.

The downfall is that it's a little expensive compared to other places in the area, but I think that it's worth it. Most of the guys in my ward were returned missionaries or at least the age of RM's.

The King Henry Apartments and the Belmont Condos are nicer, but they're not as close to campus as Liberty Square.

K.C.

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It's got photos virtual tours etc. for many of the more popular apartment properties, houses, and condos around here.

You can find pretty good deals in the contracts section also.

Thanks...

After talking to some of my friends and looking around, I'm leaning toward Roman Gardens (very close to Centennial). It is pretty cheap and seems to have a nice atmosphere.

Anybody know anyone that lives there?

Doesn't matter where you live.

It doesn't matter where you live. Women, yes, including LDS women, are subconscientiously attracted to bad boys who challenge authority, think for themselves, can't be bossed around, etc. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about on this. Good Joe Mormon RM submissive types are dime a dozen at BYU. Break out of that mold. Push the standards, be cool, wear your hair a little longer, sprinkle in some well placed coarse language into speech, stay in good physical shape and pack it tight and to the right to let women know you’re comfortable with your sexuality, etc. Now, treating women badly is a step that can lead to lots of dates, but it’s a bad move if you’re looking for a serious relationship leading to marriage. In other words it’s a bad boy image you want to convey, not actually become a bad boy.

Whenever my kids point out how opposite my wife and I are on a particular matter and express surprised we ever dated, let alone married, or how we remain deeply in love with each other, I tell them, “yeah, mom is attracted to bad boys”. One of my middle children recently figured it out; she said, “Dad, you’re not a bad boy, you just want people to think you are.”

Robot..

Robot -- A shrink could probably articulate it better than I can, but here goes: I don’t think women are anywhere close to consciously looking for bad boys. I think it’s a challenge thing. Just like a woman you’re in love with can be incredibly sexy when angry at you (don’t ever tell your lover that!), a guy that can’t be tamed is a challenge and thus an attraction to a woman. At least that’s my take on it. Whatever the reason, it works.

As far as my advice about sticking to the image only and not actually becoming a bad boy, treating women badly, etc, there were a few years I did cross that line. You’ll get lots of dates (and more if you’re looking for/need it), but not real relationships. If you’re marriage minded, stick to the image only and save yourself a lot of time and grief.

Robot..

Robot – You’re thinking way too hard about this. We’ll never understand women, just like they’ll never understand us. Just go with what works, and don’t worry about the why (leave that to the shrinks). The bad boy thing works. Does it work for any woman you might want? -- no, of course not. But it works really well in general, and it works extremely well at a place like BYU where there are so few bad boys.

marshmallow center

One of the first things my husband said to me when we first met was "Why don't you come make brownies at my house. I'll be washing my car with my shirt off." So I did, and he was, and we were married 6 months later. (By the way, he is not buff and tan, but I love him anyway) We girls like a guy who can protect us, but have a nice soft center to cuddle up to. There are a million things you can do to set yourself apart, but the one thing I especially urge is don't wear socks with sandals.

Isn't that more Belmont than

Isn't that more Belmont than King Henry?

Hmmmm

I don't really want the type of girl that would date me from my beamer. Thanks for the advice anyways!

Dear Apprentice, Don't forge

Dear Apprentice,
Don't forget to tie a string to their ankles in case the helium in their heads get the best of them.

Steve..

" In other words it’s a bad boy image you want to convey, not actually become a bad boy. "

Steve, this is an interesting point. It almost seems paradoxical; yet, I think there is some truth to it. Why would women be attracted to this image, and yet not want an actual 'bad boy?'

Also, why do you think some women are even attracted to this behavior in the first place?

Steve...

"A shrink could probably articulate it better than I can,"

I disagree. I have always heard of this, but never have really understood it the way you presented it.

" I don’t think women are anywhere close to consciously looking for bad boys. I think it’s a challenge thing."

Steve, this is really interesting. I think that you are right on about "a guy that can't be tamed is a challenge; hence, they are an attraction to women." If you can, could you elaborate on the 'challenge' thing, and why women would be attracted to it?

Would you say this is true of all, most, or just some women?

Obviously, women would be a better source on this, but I would also say that women love mysterious men, but I don't think they necessarily want to be married to a mysterious man. What do you think?

mmm..

Personally, I kind of feel like you are thinking as a guy about the whole "challenge" thing. I don't think women like challenges in this sense like men might. It's hard to pinpoint what it really is, but I think there is definitely something that makes the "bad boy" attitude attractive. I am thinking that it has more to do with confidence. I like to think that a man has enough confidence/strength to protect me or stand up for me since I am not that kind of person. Maybe the bad boy attitude works for so many women because women are generally more submissive so they want a man who is the opposite that can stand up for them.

Mybranehurtz...

"We girls like a guy who can protect us, but have a nice soft center to cuddle up to."

Mybranehurtz, I think you make some interesting points, but is this statement a contradiction? I think that it is difficult to find a man that is both "macho" and "cuddly". Wouldn't you?

In my experience, a lot of women don't know what they really want, because they need contradictory things out of men. That is, I think women are very complex, and because of their complexity they sometimes desire certain behaviors that seem to be paradoxically incongruent. I think this is why men don't really understand women as much as we think we do. What do you think?

Yes, it is. The Belmont/King

Yes, it is. The Belmont/King Henry area (though I realize King Henry isn't as, "posh,"). My wife and I call it, "Snobville."

And no, we're not jealous.

Scientist is right, Jon.

"I don't really want the type of girl"

Type? You don't understand. All women want security. You might think it is shallow, but you are judging them by your standard.

Granted, a BMW might be a bit much; however, his point is accurate.

Don't think that you need to be buff, suave, and macho...this is the way guys think.

Think what a WOMEN wants, and not what YOU want. If you do this, your probability of getting 'a' girl will be much greater.

beebs...

"Personally, I kind of feel like you are thinking as a guy about the whole "challenge" thing."

Good point, but hey, at least we are trying.

"but I think there is definitely something that makes the "bad boy" attitude attractive. I like to think that a man has enough confidence/strength to protect me or stand up for me."

Beebs, does a man necessarily have to be a "bad boy" in order to be confident in his strength? That is, is there something more besides being strong that attracts women to bad men?

I wonder if this is the case for all women, or is it just the case for women who have had rough experiences in the past when they were not in control?

Obviously, I am really interested in human behavior, specifically how we are acted upon by certain assumptions without realizing what these assumptions are. In essence, we think that we are "free" but in a lot of cases we are really just being acted upon by our circumstances and nature. I think that it is important to examine and understand these assumptions, but that is just me.

I'm guessing Robot is still s

I'm guessing Robot is still single.

robot

"Is there something more besides being strong that attracts women to bad men?"

I think you're misunderstanding what I mean. I don't mean a guy has to be strong in order to be attractive. I think it's more about confidence. I think that everyone is drawn to confident people in general. And maybe in a relationship women like the security that comes along with their man being confident.

"I wonder if this is the case for all women, or is it just the case for women who have had rough experiences in the past when they were not in control?"

What do you mean by rough experiences? I don't think I've had any, yet I am still attracted to the "bad boy"/confident attitude. Those who are confident just stand out to me in a crowd as someone I want to be with. Maybe because it helps me feel more secure about myself. I'm not sure! But it's funny how it works.

Farker

Honestly, how can you be married and still be clueless about women?

Are you married or not?

Are you married or not?

Farker

Are you implying that you have some transcendental truth on women that can only be found within marriage?

If you really want to know; yes, I have been married for two years. How long have you been married?

No, not at all. Just amazed

No, not at all. Just amazed that someone would want to marry a guy that is so full of himself. I've been married a year.

Completely off subject responses.

So, I wonder where the original poster ended up living...