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Provo Rave BUSTED!

On Saturday there was a huge Rave in Spanish Fork Canyon. The organizers went through the trouble of getting a health permit, but missed getting one for a "gathering of more that 250 people." So, the cops busted the party.

"Utah County Major Crimes was contacted to assist with undercover surveillance. Both local and state SWAT teams were called in to control the crowds ( Utah County Metro SWAT, Utah Department of Corrections out of Salt Lake and Gunnison, Department of Public Safety and their helicopter and Provo SWAT) approximately 90 law enforcement personnel combined.

At 9 pm the Rave party began and by 10 pm Major Crimes observed numerous illegal activities. Which included illegal use of drugs, distribution of drugs, and underage consumption of alcohol."
(Quoted from Utah County Online Story.)

Another news story: Salt Lake Tribune Story ...

Here's a link to a site with comments from the people at the Rave ... an interesting counterpoint to the Media's version (watch out for bad language): http://www.music-versus-guns.org

Videos: http://www.music-versus-guns.org/media.html

A few quotes from the site:

  • "One was a guy who was walking around with a camcorder stunned at what was happening. A soldier told him to give him the camera now. The raver said no it is my camera. The soldier then proceeded to grab the camera, throw it to the ground and then began beating the kid. In the end they threw him to the ground violently an put their knee into his back while handcuffing him. All for wanting to keep his property. When I last saw him he was knocked out and unmoving."
  • "I had three grown men attack and beat me and throw me to ground for absolutely no reason at all. Not to mention being dragged to a van and violently being tossed in and taken to jail. Fined for resisting arrest and another outrageous charge."
  • "The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the **** out of here right now."

So, did the police blow the whole thing out of proportion or are the people who were there just making excuses and upset about getting caught?

So, did the police blow the

So, did the police blow the whole thing out of proportion or are the people who were there just making excuses and upset about getting caught?

Utah police are a joke. I'm sure the people there probably tell a slanted reality of what really happened, but there is no doubt in my mind that Utah law enforcement blew their responsibilities WAY out of proportion.

Quick story: a few years ago I went shooting with some buddies on a Saturday. We got home in the early afternoon and being Provo, the only place I could park was two blocks from my apartment. Not wanting to alarm anyone, I left my shotgun in the trunk of the car. Later that night, I went and took the shotgun out of the trunk. I grab it by the barrel and carried it home that way, thinking there was nothing threatening about it. Five minutes later I can hear, literally, a team of men outside my door. I open it up to see what is going on and there is a freaking SWAT team with assault rifles covering the area. Police got a call about an, "armed man prowling the streets." They proceeded to check my ID and run my shotgun registration. I'm pretty sure I didn't even have to let them inside.

Anyway, the police here have gotta do something to feel important. Break up harmless raves, report to the honor code office, arrest journalists, etc.

Is it worth it?

Is it worth having a hyper-active police-force to have the relatively low amount of crime and fear we enjoy in the Provo area? I mean, it's better than having corrupt and lazy law-enforcement isn't it?

It's the whole "an ounce or prevention is worth a pound of cure" philosophy.

Honestly, I'd be pretty freaked to see a dude carrying a shotgun down the street in the middle of the night...maybe not SWAT team scared, but pretty concerned.

just as bad

"Is it worth having a hyper-active police-force to have the relatively low amount of crime and fear we enjoy in the Provo area? I mean, it's better than having corrupt and lazy law-enforcement isn't it?"

Nope, It's just as bad, if not worse. This isn't 1940's Germany. I'll take fair, responsible and reasonable law enforcement any day over the other two options mentioned.

Utah Cops

A rather large number of the combined law enforcement communities are quite the dicks even though they have no cause to be. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the fact the a majority of the cops out there (at least here in Utah) are on this permenant power trip.

I had this friend who was out at the rave and she told me that people out there weren't doing half of what they said was going on. I hope the promoters and the people who were assaulted by the SWAT team members all sue the cops, Utah county and all of the law enforcement jurisdictions that supplied those cops.

I'd rather have a police

I'd rather have a police force that was lazy and didn't enforce the law like they should than the overbearing "force" that Provo is plagued with.

Serve, protect, and uphold the law. I'm not even remotely convinced that the local cops have those ideals in mind. What I see is ridiculous abuse of power, as mentioned in my first post.

I hope the promoters and the

I hope the promoters and the people who were assaulted by the SWAT team members all sue the cops, Utah county and all of the law enforcement jurisdictions that supplied those cops.

A good ideal. Unfortunately, not realistic here. It's all one big stupid system where cops do what they do because they know they can get away with it.

Besides, I was actually assaulted (back in Oregon), cops arrested the guy, and talked me through the process of pressing charges. It usually isn't worth the effort. My bloodied face healed up fast enough, and I never heard from the group of guys that jumped me again.

You've got it reversed.

Pastoman asked:

Is it worth having a hyper-active police-force to have the relatively low amount of crime and fear we enjoy in the Provo area?

I'm not sure if I'm reading you right, but if you ask me the hyperactive police force is a result of the low crime rate, not the cause of it. Because the majority of the communities here are made up of law-abiding Mormon families/students, the cops are bored stiff and have nothing better to do than to sit at the 4-way stop near The Colony and write tickets to people who don't come to a complete stop (BTW, Provo has four full-time traffic cops that do nothing but write tickets all day).

So when a kid with a shotgun or a rave comes along, the cops get all excited, break out the riot gear, call in the SWAT team, and go nuts. Then, when it is all over, they return to writing speeding tickets and wait in eager anticipation for the next rave or hapless kid with a shotgun.

other trafffic traps?

I knew about the cops at the STOP sign near the Colony. The other spot I know is near the near the business school, when you drive down hill, where the speed limit is supposed to be like 30mph.

Do you guys know any other traffic traps?

You've got a point

I think you're probably right, Mephibosheth, the low crime rate in Provo isn't necessarily attributable to the law enforcement. So I concede that point.

It still remains to be seen though whether the rave, shotgun, and speed-trap incidents really demonstrate a hyper-active police force, or just one that's doing well at its job.

Yes. 1. They like to sit in

Yes.
1. They like to sit in the parking lot of the stadium on the southwest end almost at the corner of University Parkway and, what is it, Bulldog? If you're coming from 900 East towards University Avenue. Anyway, they sit behind that little hill of grass just waiting to pull over anyone going 31mph in the 30 zone.
2. Between University Parkway and State Street on 550 West (back between and behind the dealership and Tony Roma's). I see cops there pretty often, as well.

There are other places, I just can't think of them now.

BYU Cops

Surely the only thing more boring than being a Provo City police officer is being a BYU police officer. In addition to that hill by the business school, I've also seen quite a few people get pulled over on Campus Drive between the Wilk and the Visitor Parking lot. I think the cop sits in the parking lot just north of the Snell Building waiting for someone to go 31 mph.

It's the University Parkway / Canyon Road intersection

That's the spot you're thinking of. And it's the best speed trap in Provo. You basically have to use your brakes to keep from going over 30 on the way down that hill.

The speed limit should really be more like 45 on that stretch of road. 30 is ridiculous.

Timsierramist

Sorry, forgot to sign in. The following post is by me (not by a guest)

I am from Orem and I very

I am from Orem and I very much enjoy raves. I know ravers. I am a raver. I went onto "youtube" and watched the video of that bust in Spanish Fork. It made me furious. Ravers are not violent people. Even if the rave was illegal, was the amount of force used necessary? NO! Swat teams? Assualt rifles? It reminds of Tiananmen Square or 1940's Germany. You half expected the Police to be goose-stepping and asking people for their "papers". Absolutely ridiculous. If its illegal, send a squad car or two to break it up. They are ravers, they are peaceful. They will leave, not happily, but they will do so peacefully.

I hope no one ever again asks "Are Utah cops really THAT bad?". The answer is yes and I hope they have to answer to someone (god or whoever) someday.

"Are Utah Cops Really that Bad?"

Are California Cops really that bad. How about Tennesse Cops? Maybe you just don't like cops at all. Doesn't matter.

I just tried loading the site, but it seems that my apartment's internet firewall has it blocked because the URL is "Spyware/adware". That tells me enough. I don't believe half those quotes up there in this post anyways. Having spent countless hours working on patrol with deputies in San Bernardino County, i've never seen or heard anything of that nonsense of police putting guns to peoples heads and slamming people to the ground for no reason. Is it because San Bernardino County is in California and not Utah?

"grab the camera, throw it to the ground and then began beating the kid."

"I had three grown men attack and beat me and throw me to ground for absolutely no reason at all"

Really? NO reason at all (if that even happened).

"here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the **** out of here right now."

Now let's get to some truth. How about the other side of the story. The side most of the grateful residents of American Fork are probably on.

Utah County Sheriff Press Release from the incident

http://www.utahcountyonline.org/News/DeptNewsDetails.asp?ID=17759&WN_System=SHERIFF

I'm not sitting here saying there's no such thing as corruption in law enforcement, but i'd guess there'd be a lot of lawsuits against the Sheriff's Department for these episodes above if they even really did happen. Buy me a new camera. Pay for my concussion for throwing me to the ground.

Or are they just too pumped up on drugs and beer to know better.

Being a Marine, I know that puting a rifle to somebodies forehead is the stupidest thing ever. You can get that rifle snatched away in an instant. You need to keep your distance.

We can sit here and talk about the horrible corrupt police all we want. But police corruption makes the news and the headlines. So the few cases that really do happen seem pretty big and massive and in large amounts. Most officers are people, yep, just like you and me. Real human beings with families, lives outside of work, and From a personal view, not fact, I think less than 1% of police misfit that uniform, and that's a better average than among many clergymen.

The only time I ever saw a deputy get violent with a subject was in the Victor Valley Jail (Victorville, CA) when a prisoner was yelling and screaming and throwing things at a female custody assistant threatening to rape her if he got his hands on her. The Deputy I was with with opened the jail and threw the guy agains the wall and applied a pressure point technique to get his point across that he was going to behave. "You think we're playing games in here"? He yelled. "No SIR, I'm Sorry" he replied back. The guy apologized and didn't say anything the rest of the night.

Sad but that's the only language people can understand sometimes.

But who knows. Heck, who cares. It's not going to change peoples minds. People who hate the police are still going to hate the police (until you wake up in the dead of night to hear a burglar in your house of course). And i'm going to still believe, having worked with law enforcement forehand, that they are the professional individuals, (in general) that keep the balance in our society.

Mark G

Mark G is spamming. Somebody cut him loose.

Thanks for the notice

I just cut him loose, thanks for the heads up.