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Same-Sex Marriage: A Right?

from the founding-fathers-rolling-over-in-their-graves dept.
Even among the BYU community heated debates arise over the way LDS Church members should respond to homosexual marriage laws. Some feel that although we disagree with their choice to act as a homosexual, we ought to be tolerant of them and allow them the right to be married (See People should be allowed to make their own choices and mistakes and Homosexuality is the threat, not marriage). Others feel that Church members have a moral obligation to take a stand against gay marriage as Jon Evans pointed out in Society's moral decisions affect everyone and as Barbara Dayton discusses in The prophet has warned us. What are our rights? Is gay marriage a right? Does it infringe on the rights of others? How far do we carry our moral convictions?

Re: Same-Sex Marriage: Is it a Right?

originally posted by Anonymous User on Mar 06, 2004 - 11:25 AM
Isn't this the same topic being debated below? I am having a hard time seeing the difference between the two subjects (they are both gay marriage). Why have another 'forum' for debate when there is already one? Think about it ProvoPulse.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage: Is it a Right?

originally posted by Katie on Mar 06, 2004 - 11:39 PM
I can't believe how many people are writing to the Daily Universe about this! It seems that President Hinckley and other Church leaders have made it pretty clear that LDS Church members can't support gay marriage. It's morally wrong and we have to stand for what is right, regardless of whether or not we'll win every battle.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage: Is it a Right?

originally posted by Mason on Mar 06, 2004 - 06:11 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean. It probably was a little early to post another news blurb on the same topic, but we felt that the four different letters linked to in the news blurb were worth creating a new thread of discussion. Maybe we should have simply updated the original news posting with the additional links. Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

Thanks for your feedback.

-Mason

Still Wondering

this comment was originally posted by anonymous on Mar 7 2004
These letters they've linked to are really convincing on both sides. I honesty am very confused about what to think even though I think homosexuality is terrible. I probably haven't done my homework but has the First Presidency really come out and said specifically that we should fight against any laws allowing legal unions between same-sex couples? Again, go easy on me, I'm just confused.

Sarah

Re: Still wondering

this comment was originally posted by Anonymous User on Mar 08, 2004 - 03:24 PM
I don't have all the facts at hand, but the one which continually comes to mind comes from the Proclaimation to the World on the Family. This needs to be a document that we are VERY familiar with as Latter-day Saints, even to the point of memorizing. Here we can understand the Church's stance on issues and use it as a resource for our lives and relationships.

Here is one quote "The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife."

Marriage is sanctified only for a man and woman. Anything else is wrong. It is black and white.

"The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity."

This supports that both a man and woman should be married and can/should have children and give the blessings they have as each separate gender and rear children in the gospel. There is no mention about the ordination of same sex marriage, why? it is wrong!

By reading the Proclaimation more closely, you or anyone with quesiton can read what attributes should thrive in a marriage. Please go to the source--anything the Prohept himself has said, the Proclaimation is an excellent source and prayer.

It's a bit distressing that so many members are confused about the stance the Church takes on this topic. Today is the day when the world is separated definitively between the wicked and righteous.

Re: still wondering

this comment was originally posted by trish on Mar 11, 2004 - 11:33 AM

AMEN SISTER! (if you a sister).

Way to use the Proclaimation it's been awhile since I've heard anyone mention this.

Re: still wondering

originally posted by Anonymous User on Mar 12, 2004 - 12:05 AM
While I would agree that the Church's stance on the morality of gay marriage is very clear, I believe the proper legal actions concerning gay marriage are not so black at white. There are strong arguments on many different sides. Some support a Constitutional amendment denying gay marriage, other's feel there homosexuals should be allowed civil unions, but not marriage. Some feel this is a federal issue, while other's see it within the realm of states' rights.

Knowing just which legal action to support is quite debatable, and as far as I know there has been no offical Church support given to any of the options. I myself am quite wary of a constitutional amendment. While I do believe gay marriage is morally wrong, I feel an amendment could do more harm than good. First, it would be setting a dangerous precedent of using the Constituion to deny, rather than protect, individual rights. An amendment restricting marriage, which is often a religious tradition, could contradict existent guarantees of freedom of religious worship. Second, marriage is a moral issue and support government intervention in such an issue could be dangerous. Since the Church approaches marriage from a different standpoint than most, granting the government the right to define marriage based on popular opinion could threaten our right to perfrom these sacred marriages. Third, if the amendment fails (and given the rigorous requirements for it's passing, it is likely that it will), the pendulum of popular opinion could swing even further towards full support of gay marriage, both in a legal and moral sense. If it shows that the majority of Americans are against banning gay marriage, many may see this as reason to support the full integration of gay marriage into the national psyche.

Like most church members, this is a confusing issue for me. I fully support the Church stance, yet on the other hand have had many wonderful friends to happen to be homosexuals. We must stand strong in our moral values, but also approach the related legal situations with thought and consideration, carefully taking into account all possible consequences. Hopefully we'll one day be able to reach a conclusion that works out best for everyone.

Re: still wondering

originally posted by Anonymous User on Mar 08, 2004 - 03:26 PM
I don't have all the facts at hand, but the one which continually comes to mind comes from the Proclaimation to the World on the Family. This needs to be a document that we are VERY familiar with as Latter-day Saints, even to the point of memorizing. Here we can understand the Church's stance on issues and use it as a resource for our lives and relationships.

Here is one quote "The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife."

Marriage is sanctified only for a man and woman. Anything else is wrong. It is black and white.

"The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity."

This supports that both a man and woman should be married and can/should have children and give the blessings they have as each separate gender and rear children in the gospel. There is no mention about the ordination of same sex marriage, why? it is wrong!

By reading the Proclaimation more closely, you or anyone with quesiton can read what attributes should thrive in a marriage. Please go to the source--anything the Prohept himself has said, the Proclaimation is an excellent source and prayer.

It's a bit distressing that so many members are confused about the stance the Church takes on this topic.

"We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society."

Today is the day when the world is definitively separated between the wicked and righteous. Which side are you on?