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Torture

I was reading some of the older articles the other day and the subject of torture was pretty hotly debated. I had some thoughts and wanted to get some feedback from this community.

First, I've said (perhaps incorrectly) that arguing over the merits of whether or not torture can be justified is moot. The reason being is that torture is ineffective, that information gathered from threat or use of torture is little more than information the detainee provides only to avoid pain. If a lie can get them through the day, they don't have to give up valuable information. But I've started to question the merit of this so-called "moot point." If torture is ineffective, why do so many nations employ it? Are military interrogators really that stupid? Then again, I know of no empirical evidence that the use of torture has ever saved lives. The bottom line then, is that I'm not sure torture is in/effective.

Second, there seems to be this false dilemma where proponents have argued the greater good/lesser evil principle. To cause extraordinary pain in one terrorist is justified if it saves the lives of innocent civilians. Okay, the argument is worth having. But is it really the only option? What about sensory deprivation? Truth drugs? Deception? Are handlers using their imaginations enough?

Third, I believe that we, as Americans, are better than torture. We live a higher law, so to speak. We should represent goodness in this world. Hope. We should be the example. Our soldiers should never be seen as anything less than good and honest men fighting to save lives and protect freedom.

Finally, torture stands in opposition to everything Christ taught. The Book of Mormon is full of war stories, but torture was something the bad guys used.

Interrogation methods

The two methods that work best if you have the time are sodium pentothal or sensory deprivation. Unfortunately, sensory deprivation can cause psychosis in some people. The safer methods of sensory deprivation also usually require at least 3 or 4 days to work.

Sodium pentothal has some serious medical risks associated with it. It doesn't guarantee what's coming out of your mouth is "truth," either, just that you're disinhibited enough to say it. People on Sodium P can get distracted easily, have difficulty relaying complex ideas, and may not be relaying facts.

Torture - of various techniques - can be effective in a few limited cases. Waterboarding is pretty mild, in that it leaves the subject without any physical injuries. While it is psychologically terrifying, the effects are short-lived.

Lastly, if you were unaware, SCOTUS ruled yesterday on a couple of habeus cases, essentially ruling that detainees at Guantanamo have habeus corpus rights. We may see more rulings involving detainees & torture in the near future.

Steal a Bible and see how you feel

Torture is no different than breaking into a church and stealing a Bible so that you can read it. Some people might say, "Its for the greater good." But, they are wrong. The universe doesn't work that way. If you justify doing something morally wrong with a seemingly positive result, you are only blinding your own eyes. In the end the returns on your action are negative. Wrong produces wrong, albeit delayed and often camouflaged.

Anyone that thinks that torture is okay is wrong and conflicted. It will never aid in the world's progression towards peace, love, and the things Christ exemplified.

I agree with you Farker.

I agree with you Farker. Torture does stand against Christ's teachings. I also think that Allende has a great point. A bad tree can't bring forth good fruit.