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Students fined over $1,300 for trespassing

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It started out as a dating activity, but ended with $82-trespassing tickets all round.

Fourteen BYU students and three others were cited for trespassing by police for throwing milk jars filled with gasoline down a mineshaft just southwest of Provo.

On April 16th at 1:03 a.m., Provo police officers issued trespassing citations to 17 students at the Bergin Mine area, Elberta, an unincorporated town south of Provo...

Some of those students were dates that did not even know what they were going to do until they got there...

One of the students said they were not aware the area was private property and they only noticed signs after they had been cited.

“There is a wire fence on the property you can barely see and two very small ‘no trespassing’ signs that are about a foot high, basically hidden behind the bushes,” the student said. “There is a gate to the fence that is lying on the bushes. There was no lock on the gate, no proper signs.”

However, Sgt. Deke Taylor disagreed.

“They were in an area that was clearly marked, basically a no trespassing area and it’s not only that, it’s a very dangerous area,” Taylor said.

... “These students don’t realize that by doing what they were doing ... that they could have been arrested and put in jail, but they weren’t.”

Of course I wasn't there, but in the context of Provo, Utah, anytime I hear of something like this I'm inclined to side with the students (rather than their totalitarian overlords ... er ... the Provo Police and / or the Booters).

"basically a no trespassing area," right--thanks. "basically" ... I like that.

I also like that line about them being lucky "we didn't through their butts in jail." (Not an actual quote, of course.)

First of all, were these students confronted at the property owner's request? Do the police really have the right to fine them and kick them off the owner's property if the owner hasn't even called to report a problem?

Second, it sounds like this place could use a real sign / fence. If what these students were doing is a problem, why hasn't the property owner bothered to actually identify his property as being his or actually requested (in posted sign format) that people are not to enter or to drop stuff down his mineshaft? A simple--and clearly visible--sign would go a long way.

My guess is that throwing things down this mineshaft isn't really a problem for anyone, but that since the Provo Police happen to enjoy the little revenue stream they get from occasionally giving people tickets there, nothing--like posting a clear sign--is ever done to fix the problem.

And hey, if the police are happy, and the property owner could care less, who cares if 17 unsuspecting students get fined a total of $1,394?

And yes, it's probably true that "they should have known better" than to drop jars of gasoline down an old abandoned mineshaft, but is that really so different from going out to the south end of Utah Lake and burning a bunch of fork-life pallets? Imagine being new in Provo and having heard about people having bonfires down there, and deciding to have your own, and then once you get there the cops show up, tell you you're on private property, and slap all of you with tickets?

Now I may be wrong about this. Maybe the student's claim about the signs being hidden behind the bushes is an exaggeration, and they knew they were trespassing. If so, it's a legitimate fine. But my hunch is that it's not.

You forgot...

Mason, you should have included the stupidest part in the entire article:

As well as citing the students for trespassing, the officers called the Honor Code Office at BYU and reported the group.

Well why didn't they just call their bishops as well? Maybe take away their temple recommends?

I also liked the threat about going to jail. Right, Propo. Lock those dangerous students up. Protect society from those trespassers. I wonder if the local cops even care how retarded they sound.

Somewhat related: I was just talking with my coworker who was put on probation from the honor code office for a year after having the cops called on him for throwing a water balloon out of his DT window at another DT building. The cops showed up (yes, this was obviously a very dangerous water balloon) and told him that water balloons have taken people's eyes out. Right. Five bucks to anyone who can show me in the history of the world at any time in any place where someone has lost an eye to a water balloon.

This town just gets more and more pathetic.

Time for the lawyers to come out and play

I hope that each and every one of those kids gets a lawyer and challenges every aspect of that case. No clear trespassing warnings? Cops 31 miles outside their jurisdiction? What next, New York PD pulling me over in Nevada and making me go out to NYC to deal with the problem?

I been out to the mineshaft in question, and I can't even remember seeing any kind of a fence or any signage at all that says you shouldn't be here. You walked straight up to the mineshaft and then left again without seeing a thing.

Sometimes i don't understand this place...

I can't understand why Provo hasn't yet figured out that its a college town. Seriously BYU, and in surrounding areas how many other schools. It seems like the students do make up a large portion of the economy... Hence the abundance in parking over the summer. The so called permanent residents need to figure this out.

pathetic

"This town just gets more and more pathetic."
This is true...
Of course...the reason it is true...is because of the increasing number of BYU students that continue to infest Provo.
In a related matter...Global News (a division of VAN ZEP MEDIA) has learned that the IQ of BYU students has dropped over 400% in the last 10 years.

yeah...ok

Picture yourself telling a judge that you are suing the Provo Police Dept. for wrongfully citing you...
The judge might just ask "well, where were you and what were you doing?"
HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?!?!?!?
"I was out at night--on a date--trespassing on someone else's property--throwing firebombs down an abandon mine."
SOUNDS LIKE A ROCK SOLID CASE IF YOU ASK ME
If I were the judge, I would have the DA prosecute the students for being idiots and sentence them to be deported immediately with no possibility of return. I would add these stipulations too,
1 An apology the good people of Utah
2 The allowance of all of the citizens of Utah to trespass and firebomb any/all of their possessions
and 3 No possibility of return to Provo, Utah, or anywhere in the United States, (nor anywhere in within 100 miles of said country's border).

Troll?

BTW, VAN ZEP MEDIA should probably get a math consultant to help them with their stats (dropping 400% is kind of hard, IQ doesn't go into the negative numbers, you know)

At least we learn math at BYU...

Wow, impressive.

Picture yourself telling a judge that you are suing the Provo Police Dept. for wrongfully citing you... The judge might just ask "well, where were you and what were you doing?" HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?!?!?!?!?

First of all, if you are suing the cops, it would be for wrongdoing on their part. As dJake pointed out, they were out of their jurisdiction. Therefore, what you were doing has little relevance.

"I was out at night--on a date--trespassing on someone else's property--throwing firebombs down an abandon mine."
SOUNDS LIKE A ROCK SOLID CASE IF YOU ASK ME

Read the article. Many of the "trespassers" were dates, having no idea where they were headed, and as stated, a lot of them didn't even know it was private property. Furthermore, it was ABANDONED. This is what we call a victimless crime.

If I were the judge, I would have the DA prosecute the students for being idiots and sentence them to be deported immediately with no possibility of return. I would add these stipulations too,
1 An apology the good people of Utah
2 The allowance of all of the citizens of Utah to trespass and firebomb any/all of their possessions
and 3 No possibility of return to Provo, Utah, or anywhere in the United States, (nor anywhere in within 100 miles of said country's border).

Okay, I think we can all safely assume you'll never be a judge. Unfortunately, there is no crime in being an idiot. The "good people of Utah" have zero role in this, therefore, allowing them to commit crimes against the offenders is stupid. Your third stipulation was a nice display of redundancies and retardation. Maybe it was an attempt at humor. If so, I missed the punchline.

Am I the only one who

Am I the only one who thought this comment was funny?

learn this

the average byu student in 1995 had an iq of about 60
the average byu student of today has an iq of about -180

iq numbers CAN and DO go negative--(of course this is a phenomena found only at BYU)

so...i might have "hyperbolized just a little" (wink)

da "trespassers" wer in da daits posesing no idere whay dey wuz goin--mi underzstan--and it reaffirms my positions that 1 france is in europe, 2 they are/were idiots who need to be prosecuted for BEING IDIOTS, and 3 that all of my stipulations are valid/worthy requirements of such idiots (whether or not they are redundant).

as for this being a "victimless crime"
you NAILED IT FOR ME--when you added """"CRIME"""" to 'victimless'
and i still might dispute that it is not victimless though, and that the GOOD people of utah have no part in this case
--i, (a citizen of utah) have suffered tremendously from this case and i deserve an apology from the criminal students who participated in this horrific crime

Nope Mason, I think the

Nope Mason, I think the whole thing has been great.

And as one who's tried- don't fight it, pay your fine and go on doing better things with your time.

I've tried fighting tickets like these...and they sucked dry my will to live. If you're a student and you think you can make a difference (politics-wize) in this city, call me pessimistic...but you're wrong. Cops dont care, judges don't care, permanent residents don't care.

You can get an apology after

You can get an apology after you apologize to the rest of us for using such poor grammar.

You are a case of crime against the English language.

Well, I'm sorry to say, but

Well, I'm sorry to say, but being a citizen of Utah doesn't entitle you to an apology from an incident that has zero effect on you. I think the original arguments were that the Provo Police are a joke. So while we would both agree that Provo is filled with an astonishing number of socially handicapped people, would you disagree with the idea that the local cops make fools of themselves on a regular basis?

fair enough

you're right
particularly the byu cops (they always seem to be especially on edge over the most trivial of thing)